"Wax" for PPF?

[Tom]

I generally keep the car clean with Mother's waterless wash and wax, but it's overdue for something more substantial. In the past, I've used the 3M Synthetic liquid wax over the ppf, on the advice of a previous 3M film installer. It's 'fine' but not anything to get excited about. Wondering if there is anything better folks are swearing by these days. My film is Suntek on this car. Suggestions?

[911R]

i''ll likely not do it.

[TimD]

I use Meguires Hybred Ceramic Wax and detailer on the PPF on my 992 and it looks great. Lots of people even ceramic coat PPF.

[blueline]

I use Meguires Hybred Ceramic Wax and detailer on the PPF on my 992 and it looks great. Lots of people even ceramic coat PPF.

Ceramic coating on top of PPF is the way most of the installers/applicators do it around here too. (It's morphed into a more expensive two-part process.) They've mentioned that doing so makes it easier to keep the car clean among other benefits, such as further protecting the PPF itself and keeping it looking better. That's logical and seems to be a good thing to do. Also, for those who don't PPF the entire car (me) it also makes sense to ceramic coat and/or wax the whole car for consistency.

By the way, from one Tim to another, welcome to Carpokes !!

[Tom]

I use Meguires Hybred Ceramic Wax and detailer on the PPF on my 992 and it looks great. Lots of people even ceramic coat PPF.

Ceramic coating on top of PPF is the way most of the installers/applicators do it around here too. (It's morphed into a more expensive two-part process.) They've mentioned that doing so makes it easier to keep the car clean among other benefits, such as further protecting the PPF itself and keeping it looking better. That's logical and seems to be a good thing to do. Also, for those who don't PPF the entire car (me) it also makes sense to ceramic coat and/or wax the whole car for consistency.

By the way, from one Tim to another, welcome to Carpokes !!

Ed's been pushing on me to get it ceramic coated too, but I'm still slow to embrace the idea of paying someone $1500 or whatever to protect the stuff that protects the paint. A few people have recommended Graphene Ceramic Coating, linked below, which I may try. Anyone here ever use it?

https://adamspolishes.com/products/grap ... %20a%20PPF

[blueline]

I use Meguires Hybred Ceramic Wax and detailer on the PPF on my 992 and it looks great. Lots of people even ceramic coat PPF.

Ceramic coating on top of PPF is the way most of the installers/applicators do it around here too. (It's morphed into a more expensive two-part process.) They've mentioned that doing so makes it easier to keep the car clean among other benefits, such as further protecting the PPF itself and keeping it looking better. That's logical and seems to be a good thing to do. Also, for those who don't PPF the entire car (me) it also makes sense to ceramic coat and/or wax the whole car for consistency.

By the way, from one Tim to another, welcome to Carpokes !!

Ed's been pushing on me to get it ceramic coated too, but I'm still slow to embrace the idea of paying someone $1500 or whatever to protect the stuff that protects the paint. A few people have recommended Graphene Ceramic Coating, linked below, which I may try. Anyone here ever use it?

https://adamspolishes.com/products/grap ... %20a%20PPF

Ceramics in general (in structural coatings or industrial applications for instance) are pretty amazing but there are certainly pockets of hype. Ceramic types of auto-finish fall into the significant hype category in my opinion, if for nothing else due to the cost.

While the auto ceramics do provide some benefits, they are in essence an overly priced surface finish designed to accomplish much the same as a good wax. And ceramic auto coatings do wear off, just like wax wears off.

Some say that wax should still be used even if you have a ceramic coating which I think is fine and probably true. Either way, ceramic car finishes need renewal and/or reapplication - again, just like wax. Yeah, I had all three of our current Porsche's ceramic coated when new so I am guilty of indulging the product exaggerations and cost. It's kind of what you are expected to do. Peer pressure!

Ceramic coating is, in many respects, a really expensive version of new car dealerships' mop-and-glo add-ons that used to be prevalent everywhere. (Early, less expensive versions of ADMs.)

[Tom]

Ceramic coating on top of PPF is the way most of the installers/applicators do it around here too. (It's morphed into a more expensive two-part process.) They've mentioned that doing so makes it easier to keep the car clean among other benefits, such as further protecting the PPF itself and keeping it looking better. That's logical and seems to be a good thing to do. Also, for those who don't PPF the entire car (me) it also makes sense to ceramic coat and/or wax the whole car for consistency.

By the way, from one Tim to another, welcome to Carpokes !!

Ed's been pushing on me to get it ceramic coated too, but I'm still slow to embrace the idea of paying someone $1500 or whatever to protect the stuff that protects the paint. A few people have recommended Graphene Ceramic Coating, linked below, which I may try. Anyone here ever use it?

https://adamspolishes.com/products/grap ... %20a%20PPF

Ceramics in general (in structural coatings or industrial applications for instance) are pretty amazing but there are certainly pockets of hype. Ceramic types of auto-finish fall into the significant hype category in my opinion, if for nothing else due to the cost.

While the auto ceramics do provide some benefits, they are in essence an overly priced surface finish designed to accomplish much the same as a good wax. And ceramic auto coatings do wear off, just like wax wears off.

Some say that wax should still be used even if you have a ceramic coating which I think is fine and probably true. Either way, ceramic car finishes need renewal and/or reapplication - again, just like wax. Yeah, I had all three of our current Porsche's ceramic coated when new so I am guilty of indulging the product exaggerations and cost. It's kind of what you are expected to do. Peer pressure!

Ceramic coating is, in many respects, a really expensive version of new car dealerships' mop-and-glo add-ons that used to be prevalent everywhere. (Early, less expensive versions of ADMs.)

That sums up my sense of it exactly. PPF to protect the paint, ceramic to protect the PPF, wax to protect the ceramic; garage to protect the wax. That, and my cynic sensors start to beep whenever I see backlit studio shot of serum-this or nano-that at hundreds of dollars and ounce. I should try it before knocking it I guess, but the hype gets to me. I've mentioned this before, but have a car collector friend who uses nothing but a can of green Turtle Wax paste on his cars, and he has several Pebble Beach ribbons (including a best in class) to his name. I suppose pampered show cars are different, but still...

[blueline]

Ed's been pushing on me to get it ceramic coated too, but I'm still slow to embrace the idea of paying someone $1500 or whatever to protect the stuff that protects the paint. A few people have recommended Graphene Ceramic Coating, linked below, which I may try. Anyone here ever use it?

https://adamspolishes.com/products/grap ... %20a%20PPF

Ceramics in general (in structural coatings or industrial applications for instance) are pretty amazing but there are certainly pockets of hype. Ceramic types of auto-finish fall into the significant hype category in my opinion, if for nothing else due to the cost.

While the auto ceramics do provide some benefits, they are in essence an overly priced surface finish designed to accomplish much the same as a good wax. And ceramic auto coatings do wear off, just like wax wears off.

Some say that wax should still be used even if you have a ceramic coating which I think is fine and probably true. Either way, ceramic car finishes need renewal and/or reapplication - again, just like wax. Yeah, I had all three of our current Porsche's ceramic coated when new so I am guilty of indulging the product exaggerations and cost. It's kind of what you are expected to do. Peer pressure!

Ceramic coating is, in many respects, a really expensive version of new car dealerships' mop-and-glo add-ons that used to be prevalent everywhere. (Early, less expensive versions of ADMs.)

That sums up my sense of it exactly. PPF to protect the paint, ceramic to protect the PPF, wax to protect the ceramic; garage to protect the wax. That, and my cynic sensors start to beep whenever I see backlit studio shot of serum-this or nano-that at hundreds of dollars and ounce. I should try it before knocking it I guess, but the hype gets to me. I've mentioned this before, but have a car collector friend who uses nothing but a can of green Turtle Wax paste on his cars, and he has several Pebble Beach ribbons (including a best in class) to his name. I suppose pampered show cars are different, but still...

Wise observations Tom and true!

[RBM_911]

I'm pretty interested in this topic as I consider what to do with our incoming car.

I used the Turtle Wax graphene https://www.turtlewax.com/products/hybrid-solutions-p on my 911 and have been absolutely amazed at how it repels dirt. The car is so easy to wash. I have literally not done anything but foam cannon and rinse. This is even after multiple road trips.

I'm tackling the SQ8 on Saturday with the Turtle product.

[elm310]

Griots has good waxes for cars with PPF. Just remember to clay your car before you wax. PPF is a very porous film, and it will be really hard to get the wax off. Use a wax that does not leave a white residue. If you have a matte PPF or stealth like I do, please look at the Chemical Guys products, I use their soap, special for the matte finish and it comes with a spray detailer for matte finishes and a sealer. I would also recommend ceramic coat your car, so it will elongate the life of your PPF, if your car is outside more often.