3100 mile '89 on BAT

[Tom]

Those lift spots tend to collapse when you put a floor jack under one and try to lift the car with it. If you put rubber blocks under them and lift the whole car at one, it puts vertical and distributed pressure on them, which makes them survive better. I still wouldn't do it though. Too easy to just use the rails instead....

[Tom]

So... this just happened.

I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

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[danmartinic]

Yes nice bid amount "944" (though the earlier 12x,951 was savvier)

By "rails" what do you mean? The square-tube looking structure more towards the center or the unibody sill (covered by black plastic on our cars)?

The inner square supports would be awfully hard to use with the QuickJack, no?

[danmartinic]

FYI my front round "lift spots" are both equally bent up and the shop lift arms were clearly placed there as their arms as the car was left supported by the actual arms lifting on the bottom of the fender

It's very frustrating lifting the 944 up front

[Mark2023]

I have an odd question. The pics show the car supported at the front almost parallel with the rear frame support point. What is it resting on in front?

My understanding is the round assembly lift points in front (not sure if that's where it's resting) should not be used and on my own car, they came pushed up--a result no doubt of previous jacking. In fact, this clearly caused the arm of a shop lift to hit the lower sill and I even have outward-bending dents on both fenders to correspond.



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So.. is this proper to lift like it is? I was thinking of getting one of those quick-lift jacks but always wondering where would I place it in front? As it stands, I only support on the rails in front which are quite a bit inward

It is my understanding that these points can be used only on for post lifts and quick jacks. I also use the inboard jack points with jack stands.

[danmartinic]

On my car, it's clear a pervious garage used a post lift on the round "lift points" in front. They failed and the post arm ended up supporting the car--causing a bulging dent (pushed outward) on the fender. Both sides are identical

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I would imagine a QuickJack could do the same (damage the lift point but not necessarily the fender )

[danmartinic]

PS.. how do you adjust pic size on here? LOL

[Tom]

PS.. how do you adjust pic size on here? LOL

Yeah, I have to work on that. So much to do, so little time....

Nasty pics though. I hope the shop paid for that!!! I'm guessing they did not use rubber lifting block and just put steel on steel, with predicable results. I once had a smog guy roll a steel floor jack under my car because he wanted to see the catalytic converter. I stopped him before he could dent the floor and got into an argument with him over it -- 99% sure he was trying to shake me down. I had to threaten to turn him in to get him to back off. Grr...

And yes by Rails I mean the rectangular unibody frame rails. Never used a quickjack so can't really comment. They work well for jack stands and my rolling bridge jack, when used with wood or rubber. On a car like the BAT car, I'm guessing they wanted to protect the plastic liner under the car, so loaded up on rubber pads using the collapsible lift spots.

[danmartinic]

Rubber takes away some of the weight? I'm confused! But.. this video makes it pretty clear:



I bought my car with said damage already done. I suppose one day I'll find someone to punch back those dents.. but on a black car, even I forget they're there lol

[Thom]

The lift points are mentioned in the owner's manual : "diamonds" on the square frame rails.