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Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:35 pm
by blueline
Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:29 am
by RDMcG
Well,roll on 2024. I would expect some lineup changes. Will Hamilton and Alonzo stick around?
Stroll and Sargeant?
There will be pressure to add a good American driver too . Should be interesting.
Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:37 am
by Stormy_Monday
I think F1 has become so euro centric that adding an American driver, much less a team is a ways off. They like the money that comes from US races but still disrespect the US and fans. IMHO....
Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:45 am
by Bill in Bama
I couldn't agree more, we're a bunch of philistines who like (American) football and NASCAR to them, unsophisticated and uncouth. JMO. But as you say, they'll still take our money(eagerly).
Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:30 am
by WillyDaP
Life is often funny , as I have some friends in Europe who think F1 is becoming very Americanized and going away from what they think the roots of F1 are ( Europe ). I think what is happening is the World is becoming more fascinated by F1, we definitely are talking about it more ( positive or negative ), and often that is a sign of growth for any sport ----- Football, Basketball, racing ,etc.
It is common now for Nascar, IndyCar and other racing venues to have Bands and other entertainment at the track and F1 has followed that lead. We see plenty of young Trackrats going to events like Gridlife and when we ancient ones think about it, they may be the ones who are the new generation of Gearheads. I often hear my contemporaries complain that the current generation does not care about cars, but then I see the spread of various track events and note many of the new drivers at PCA DEs or NASA HPDE, etc. are younger and maybe these are the new group of Petrolheads that will keep the fun automotive genre going? Sorry , a bit off the original subject.
Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:16 am
by blueline
I posted this earlier but might as well do it again - 2024 F1 schedule:

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Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:59 pm
by RDMcG
I subscribe to the UK magazine Motor Sport.
The December edition has a superb article that outlines why Red Bull was so superior. Basically, the 2003 car superficially looked quite a lot like the 2022 version. At least on top. This hid a huge reengineering design of the car, in particular to the floor, which is why RB never had the porpoising issue. The competition only realized this when Perez crashed in Monaco and they got a look at the flor when the car was raised up. The RB floor is massively complex compared to anyone else. Here are two illustrations published in the article:
The Red Bull is just amazing:

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Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:02 pm
by RDMcG
Makes my 992RS look like a child's drawing:)........and I thought it was advanced..............

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Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:36 pm
by blueline
RDMcG wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:59 pm
I subscribe to the UK magazine Motor Sport.
The December edition has a superb article that outlines why Red Bull was so superior. Basically, the 2003 car superficially looked quite a lot like the 2022 version. At least on top. This hid a huge reengineering design of the car, in particular to the floor, which is why RB never had the porpoising issue. The competition only realized this when Perez crashed in Monaco and they got a look at the flor when the car was raised up. The RB floor is massively complex compared to anyone else. Here are two illustrations published in the article:
The Red Bull is just amazing:IMG_3703.JPGIMG_3702.JPG
Fascinating complexity. It so advanced that I can no longer tell where the sport and the skill of driving intersect with that of the AI level engineering and design. There must be massive computing assets behind every team's program. I guess Red Bull has access to more advanced super computers - underground mad scientists! In all seriousness, I do wonder at times.
Do the reduced wind tunnel test times for teams as they land higher up the ranked ladder even matter? I tend to think not so much.
Re: Formula 1 Races/Results 2023
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:57 pm
by RDMcG
RB have a lot of computers but they also have a genius.
Adrian Newey is the greatest designer in F1 history in my view, and if you look at his career he has designed for multiple teams and has more winning cars than anyone.
His ability to see the slightest hole in the regulations is unmatched.