That wheel looks great -- nice work! Bummer about the heat though. If you get a new skeleton, wouldn't you need to have them recover that one too? Or is the leather work they did somehow transportable to a new skeleton? That wheel appears to be identical to my former 991.2 steering wheel, so maybe expanding the search to include those would help?
To me, it sounds like the heater oversight is on them. I guess you could have noticed the wires, but that's not really a customer's job -- most wouldn't know what to look for anyway, not sure I would.... They are doing this for a living and had both wheels in hand, so seems incumbent on them to make more of an effort to confirm you were aware of the issue and wanted to proceed anyway. Life's too short to kill happy brain cells over it, but I'll be interested to hear how they ultimately handle it for my mental files...
Changing cf wheel into all leather
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Well I found a skeleton with heat, ebay of course. It is covered in black leather. I'm going to talk with Donald at Dallas Custom wheels about a reasonable cost to do it in my specifications, either swapping the Espresso covering from my present wheel or just a new covering from scratch. I didn't have to send my original wheel to them, they had a skeleton that they used to build my spec on, just not a heated one. So in a week or so I'll have:
Old carbon fiber wheel (skeleton), heated
New Espresso leather wheel with Cognac stitching, no heat
Another skeleton in black leather and heat
I should be able to get what I want out of that collection. And yes, I agree that Dallas Custom really should have been more transparent in informing me of the non-heated wheel, I now look immediately at all the skeletons on eBay for the heating wires but never considered that prior to this odyssey. I'm planning to use this in my plea for special consideration and discounted pricing for the replacement wheel..
BTW, I made an offer for the eBay wheel which was immediately accepted, meaning I could have had it for less, but I still paid a pretty reasonable price.
Old carbon fiber wheel (skeleton), heated
New Espresso leather wheel with Cognac stitching, no heat
Another skeleton in black leather and heat
I should be able to get what I want out of that collection. And yes, I agree that Dallas Custom really should have been more transparent in informing me of the non-heated wheel, I now look immediately at all the skeletons on eBay for the heating wires but never considered that prior to this odyssey. I'm planning to use this in my plea for special consideration and discounted pricing for the replacement wheel..
BTW, I made an offer for the eBay wheel which was immediately accepted, meaning I could have had it for less, but I still paid a pretty reasonable price.
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My journey continues to get exactly what I want. I got the wheel I ordered from eBay, and it looks good except for one slight problem. There is one less set of wires than my stock CF wheel for the heating feature. Pictures enclosed show both, and the new wheel (in black leather, BTW) only has two of the three wire sets with connectors instead of the three that the CF wheel that came on my car has. Will this make a difference? I don't know but suspect it will. I guess the only way to tell for sure is to install it and see what happens. Of course this will mean moving all the trim and MF stuff from the new all leather wheel I got from Dallas Custom to this newer one, lots of work just to find out, but I need to do that before sending it off to Dallas for the Espresso w/ Cognac stitching that I got on the first one. To be fair I got the exact wheel I ordered, and it only shows the two wire sets, I just didn't notice so that is on me. I assumed all heated GT Sport wheels would have the same wiring. I doubt anyone on Carpokes has done any of this and has any first hand info about it, but I'm posting my saga just in case. The place I ordered from has tons more Porsche wheels and I will look through them to see if any show the same wiring I have on my stock wheel for comparison. But I'm getting lots of experience in doing the wheel R&R and getting quite good at it. 
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'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
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i was going to change the wheels yesterday and put the eBay wheel on to see if the heating function worked with only two wire sets and I started changing the trim and wiring harnesses over to that wheel, when I suddenly realized they weren't the same wheel architecture. Examination of the pics in my previous post will show that they are not the same, but I failed to notice this when ordering the wheel or even when I received it. SO...I contacted the seller and am returning this wheel to exchange for another that both has the proper 3 wire sets for heating AND is the same design as my original. It is a CF wheel with black leather trim, and I will send it to Dallas Custom Wheel to have recovered in my Espresso w/ Cognac stitching per my original plan. This is getting expensive in a hurry, and the rabbit hole is getting deep. Oh well. The logical question is, why not just send my original CF wheel to Dallas for recovering, and I considered that. But I am leaning toward keeping this wheel so when I eventually sell my car I can offer the option of returning it to the factory spec. At that point I'll have an extra wheel I can sell. When I put the original wheel back on yesterday I must have not gotten the main plug seated in the clock spring well enough, for when I drove it last night the MF buttons on the wheel were dead. I had had trouble getting it to seat, and it never would click in with the locking tab as it should, so that is something I need to address. I have tried rather forcefully pushing the wire plug into the socket on the clock spring but fear being TOO forceful. I may need to trim a bit of plastic off the tab so it will more easily seat in the slot. Ah, the joys of modification!
'21 718 GTS 4.0, AGM/Espresso/ Cognac
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
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I replaced the original wheel and the buttons still don't work, everything on the wheel is dead. I definitely got the main plug seated this time, so I'm thinking a fuse blew. Does anyone have the diagram for fuses on the 718? I would like to know where it is before I contort my old bod to get down there to replace it. Thanks.
'21 718 GTS 4.0, AGM/Espresso/ Cognac
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
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If all else fails check the manual. Diagram lists two fuses for steering column stuff, B10 and D6. Both fuses are good, so back to square one. I'm almost positive the connectors are all in place but I'm pulling it off again to check. It's getting frustrating.
'21 718 GTS 4.0, AGM/Espresso/ Cognac
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
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Have you tried an OBDII code reader to see if the car is trying to tell you anything? I'm wondering if the car detected so many repeated disconnections that it somehow powered it down? Just reading your story, it 'feels' like maybe a programming thing? Have you let the car sit overnight with the battery disconnected?Bill in Bama wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:29 am If all else fails check the manual. Diagram lists two fuses for steering column stuff, B10 and D6. Both fuses are good, so back to square one. I'm almost positive the connectors are all in place but I'm pulling it off again to check. It's getting frustrating.
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Not overnight but for several hours. I'll hook up the iCarsoft after lunch.
'21 718 GTS 4.0, AGM/Espresso/ Cognac
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
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Since I'd already disconnected the battery I went ahead and pulled the airbag and wheel off again before trying the iCarsoft. Everything looks good, the main connector for all the wires from the wheel to the car was still secure in its socket. One small wire from the steering wheel heating was slightly pulled out of its tiny socket that plugs into the black box at the bottom of the wheel, but this happened before and in no way could kill everything. So, fuses are good, connections are good, and I began to wonder....I sort of moved the clock spring a bit when I had the wheel off the last time before this latest problem occurred, and there's a warning on the clockspring to NOT move it off center. Exactly what is center I have no idea, but I moved it back a bit, there's a little white protrusion that once pressed in allows the spring to rotate, but it seems to click into place once the white protrusion is released. Whether this has any effect on what is going on I have no idea. I'm going to go over everything inside the wheel while I have it off to make double sure all connectors are secure(but I know they are), and carefully put it back on, minding the clock spring as best I can. I did this a number of times on my 981 with no problems whatsoever, not even the airbag light which I've had illuminated on this one for about a week now. Tom, if you, or anyone else has any suggestions I welcome them, I'm moving slowly on this so no big hurry.
'21 718 GTS 4.0, AGM/Espresso/ Cognac
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
'17 Cayenne base, White/Luxor/Black
'16 Cayman GTS, great car, sold for the 4.0
'13 Cayenne base, DBM/Luxor beige
'06 Cayman S, first mid-engine car
'86 944 Turbo, fast! Stone grey
'84 944, my first Porsche DBM
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Does the airbag light stay on? If none of the switches work, and everything is just dead, my guess would be the clock spring is broken. 
I have no experience with the Porsche clock spring, but I know they are the primary electrical connection to the steering wheel, so if everything stopped working, that's a likely culprit. (Assuming the connectors go to the clock spring from the engine harness is installed and tight.) I know some of them can be delicate in the sense that they can break of rotated beyond their intended range. Normally, that's impossible since it can turn any more than the steering wheel, but if it was say 20 degrees off in one direction when you put it back on, and then you turned the wheel all the way, you could have turned the wheel 20 degrees past its range. Pure internet armchair speculation, but seems kind of likely given your symptoms.... See this video, especially when he opens it up and shows what's inside and how easy it would be to break.....
I have no experience with the Porsche clock spring, but I know they are the primary electrical connection to the steering wheel, so if everything stopped working, that's a likely culprit. (Assuming the connectors go to the clock spring from the engine harness is installed and tight.) I know some of them can be delicate in the sense that they can break of rotated beyond their intended range. Normally, that's impossible since it can turn any more than the steering wheel, but if it was say 20 degrees off in one direction when you put it back on, and then you turned the wheel all the way, you could have turned the wheel 20 degrees past its range. Pure internet armchair speculation, but seems kind of likely given your symptoms.... See this video, especially when he opens it up and shows what's inside and how easy it would be to break.....