Bringing the 944 turbo into the 21st century

[chris white]

Oh look, here is one now!

[Cyberpunky]

TBH its a bit sad to see all this hyper-cynicism. There is nothing new under the sun and its all been done before. I get it. Tough crowd and way to dampen any enthusiasm I had.

[Thom]

I'd call it realism rather than cynicism.
FWIW I think there is a point past which working on these cars can generate enough frustration to overshadow any enthusiasm, and I think this is when experienced folks will always turn to proven solutions rather than shoot in the dark with parts they do not have the time or even the desire to test for the sake of science. Add to this the stance of some vendors trying to oversell an apparently good product that in the end doesn't seem much different than what is already proven and this is where realism kicks in and suggests to not bother.

Depending on people this outburst of realism may happen after 10, 100, 10000 hours of wrenching and getting lost in wrong directions at several occasions.

In any case Bruce please keep posting. It's what you do with your car that should matter to you in the end, not the ramblings of folks like me who have simply reached the point where they have better things to do in their spare time - and I just spent the first 6 full days of my first proper holidays in 2 years to work on my 951 and even paying a friend for it!

[chris white]

Don’t t get too bummed Bruce, it’s just a couple of cranky old guys (sorry Tom!) that have been around the block a couple of times. Vendor Over hype is a deal breaker for me, seen it too many times. Any advance is a welcome step but when it gets over hyped the implications are that everything else is just old useless crap.
There was a discussion about fuel injectors on the premium board that made a claim of huge HP gains due to a some new injectors….sounded implausible to me and after several rounds of being told that the injectors were so superior (30 to 40hp) and they had the data to back it up it was finally revealed that the test with the new injectors was made at 3 or 4 pounds of boost.
Sorry, but that absolutely pinned my BS meter. I am completely skeptical about the hype, maybe not about the product - they could be good
Keep up your enthusiasm, we all need that to keep working on these relics!

[Tom]

TBH its a bit sad to see all this hyper-cynicism. There is nothing new under the sun and its all been done before. I get it. Tough crowd and way to dampen any enthusiasm I had.

Don't let the cranky old men (myself included) dampen your enthusiasm one iota. It's my sincere hope that we can develop a culture at Carpokes where we can talk cars among friends and be respectful of where we're all coming from -- so it's great to see Chris and Thom circling back and doing that. I hope and expect that you will be thrilled with your turbo and build -- making it worth every bit of enthusiasm you can muster -- and we're all here to help with any challenges along the way! A lot of people have put a lot of work into these cars over the years, and many of them have kept us with the latest technologies, with 20+ year time-tested success on and off the track. So I wasn't trying to say (and doubt others were saying) your turbo/build won't be as awesome as you hope, but rather just saying my system ain't that bad either.

[Cyberpunky]

well M44 performance are not a new vendor(just small but growing), and have just stepped up a level, as far as being able to become a more major supplier to our platform and are also lifting the level of advancement.

The turbos are just one aspect and that is in 3 levels with Ultraspool voodoo and xona, all available in 5 stages depending on clients desired outcome. They also are working on an amazing exhaust/headers set up(LHD only sadly), working with Kroon on an ecu(Maxx ecu) set up. Head stud improvements(super washers etc) and more. Sure it's early days but with LR and many established vendors firmly stuck in the past, or with fitment issues(SFR etc), I think its good to see actual development happening.

This hasn't been happening on RL but via a FB group so many may not be aware. No one is claiming any magic here, just advancement and obviously every vendor has to start somewhere and grow so it hasn't happened over night.

The ECU situation has really opened up with just general advances in that area, from VEMS, Augtronic, MS, Maxx. Focus9 OBD, etc, so I thought that is an exciting area of advancement too, compared to piggy backs, custom chips and other limited options we have had to rely on for many years.

[Thom]

Sorry but to me this sounds just like the same promotional hot air heard before.
Just to answer the ECU point, there has been advanced ECUs for years already. They may be more expensive than more recent offerings but quality always comes at a price. You can't have your cake and eat it.
I am wishing M44 or whoever they are all the success they deserve but I'm not sold at all on their claims and promotional attitude.

[Cyberpunky]

OK Thom. I could point out plug n play Vs custom wiring, auto tune, etc, but really you just suck the joy out of every thing and I don't want to waste any more time on what seems like flogging a dead horse. You should be proud
I'm done

[Thom]

Sorry but I don't buy into this cowboy culture of accepting snake oil speech just because it's allowed. If this is "sucking the joy out of everything" then I might dare saying you are probably a little too easily offended.

[Cyberpunky]

Sorry but I don't buy into this cowboy culture of accepting snake oil speech just because it's allowed. If this is "sucking the joy out of everything" then I might dare saying you are probably a little too easily offended.

OK its all snake oil blah blah blah you did it better in your day etc etc.

Real life example of buying snake oil. My AFM died due to worn tracks. Tried rejigging them but no joy. Got a quote on a Motec stand alone and the ecu was just under 4K and fitting was basically about same but open cheque book as loom had to be custom made. Fair enough too as if I had that expertise I'd charge handsomely for my skills too. Then dyno tuning sessions, on top so basically just under 10K but probably not much under. Well unlike you, who clearly thinks money is no object, that wasn't viable, so had to get a plan B. I bought a VEMS system for about 2.5k. This snake oil magically plugged into my factory harness and car started first turn of the key. Huh the snake oil worked.

Anyway Thom I don't buy into your BS that anything new is snake oil and hype, but if you don't agree that's cool too but next time just scroll on by and stop wasting my time with your crap. Cheers and peace out