FELICITY ACE - FIRE

[Tom]

Dumb question maybe, but do they put any gas in the tank before they put them on the ship?

[murphsea]

Dumb question maybe, but do they put any gas in the tank before they put them on the ship?

What about all the battery packs in the EVs?
They tend to burn for a long time,right?

[Hawk]

Dumb question maybe, but do they put any gas in the tank before they put them on the ship?

I was told about 1/4 tank. Yet they claim that is not the problem and doesn't cause explosions. Can't say I understand that claim.

This is a good video to watch from an "expert" -

[Hawk]

Dumb question maybe, but do they put any gas in the tank before they put them on the ship?

What about all the battery packs in the EVs?
They tend to burn for a long time,right?

That is the speculation. And, apparently they create a chain reaction from one EV to the next. Question is whether one of the EV Lithium-ion battery packs caused the fire and they couldn't control it or are they now contributing to the progression???

[Hawk]

From Bloomberg (full article - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/th ... li=BBnb7Kz):
"An internal email from Volkswagen’s U.S. operations revealed there were 3,965 Volkswagen AG vehicles aboard the ship. Headquartered in Wolfsburg, Germany, the group manufactures vehicles under brands including Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi and Lamborghini — all of which were in tow when the vessel set ablaze."

From C Meadows:
"The Felicity Ace was carrying 3965 vehicles
VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley & Lamborghini
A lot of electric models for VW, Audi & Porsche. I work @ what was to be it’s second stop Jacksonville FL"

Of the total 3,965 vehicles on board from various other sources:
Porsche 1,100
Lamborghini 20
Bentley 189
VW & Audi 2,656 (no further breakdown)

[murphsea]

Of the total 3,965 vehicles on board from various other sources:
Porsche 1,100
Lamborghini 20
Bentley 189
VW & Audi 2,656 (no further breakdown)

1,100 is a pretty big chunk of production capacity for Porsche.
I'm sure 189 is a lot for Bentley too.
Then there's the question of how many were special orders or limited edition cars.

[Hawk]

Of the total 3,965 vehicles on board from various other sources:
Porsche 1,100
Lamborghini 20
Bentley 189
VW & Audi 2,656 (no further breakdown)

1,100 is a pretty big chunk of production capacity for Porsche.
I'm sure 189 is a lot for Bentley too.
Then there's the question of how many were special orders or limited edition cars.

Absolutely. Given supply chain shortages and existing orders it will be extremely difficult to re-manufacture / replace 1,100 cars. And, as you stated, how many are special order, PTS, etc. orders? Will certainly be a logistical challenge.

On a happier note, my TYD seems to be updating this morning and it appears that my build is being pushed up? Will not know until processing completes overnight and I can review tomorrow am. My wife and I were wondering if they are putting on an extra shift or speeding up production now to somehow be able to fit in an additional 1,100 unanticipated re-builds? Wonder what this may mean for my 1LQ PCCBs???

[Tom]

Getting the whole crew off safely was a miracle if you see some of those pictures of the ship just consumed in smoke.

What, maybe $300 to $400 million worth of cars? And if it's attributable to lithium batteries, that's likely to have some consequences. I read at least one report that said it started in the cargo hold...

[Tom]

Of the total 3,965 vehicles on board from various other sources:
Porsche 1,100
Lamborghini 20
Bentley 189
VW & Audi 2,656 (no further breakdown)

1,100 is a pretty big chunk of production capacity for Porsche.
I'm sure 189 is a lot for Bentley too.
Then there's the question of how many were special orders or limited edition cars.

Absolutely. Given supply chain shortages and existing orders it will be extremely difficult to re-manufacture / replace 1,100 cars. And, as you stated, how many are special order, PTS, etc. orders? Will certainly be a logistical challenge.

On a happier note, my TYD seems to be updating this morning and it appears that my build is being pushed up? Will not know until processing completes overnight and I can review tomorrow am. My wife and I were wondering if they are putting on an extra shift or speeding up production now to somehow be able to fit in an additional 1,100 unanticipated re-builds? Wonder what this may mean for my 1LQ PCCBs???

Well that's good news. Hard to imagine how this could speed things up for you, but maybe just a happy coincidence? Or I wonder if they schedule cargo ships so specifically that they are rescheduling the production cars that were expected to be carried on the Felicity Ace?

[Hawk]

New update from NBC news by Reuters confirms our worst fears. The EV Lithium-ion batteries are on fire. Fire is consuming entire ship, end-to-end, everything consumed in fire 5 meters above the water line. Requires specialist equipment to extinguish.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/carg ... -rcna16675