Will Porsches Sales Drop convince Corporate to build the 718 beyond 2025?

[WillyDaP]

Granted, months back Porsche said it would only build the ICE 718 through 2025, but one really has to wonder with the US now the biggest Market ( ahead of China ) will the Stuttgart Sports Car have a change of heart --- and mind!? The EV revolution has slowed partly due to Infrastructure and other factors, so ICE demand is high in America and with the extended life of the 911 into the 2030s and beyond, one has to wonder if Porsche will have any epiphany and continue the Cayman/Boxster farther forward. We have to pause and remember there was supposed to be an end to the manual some years back and that did not work for Porschephiles one diddly squat. With Interest Rates high, the huge increases in the price of Porsches over the past 4 -5 years, a 718 Cayster is in the price range a 911 was just back those 4-5 years. I know of two friends who were considering a 911 , but after seeing the pricing and viewing my little beast they have changed their thoughts.
Let's hope Porsche sees the error in it's ways, and takes a more measured approach to their EV growth, since the situation in Europe and China with their Government edicts is not the same as here in the US ( or Canada ). Hoping to see the 718 continue into the future more than just next year , but if they end the ICE machine we can all start viewing our little beasts as another 401K !!

[ReidMcT]

I do wonder if the end of ICE 718s will put a floor under used prices, or maybe even as you envision, an elevator.

What Porsche sales drop? Taycans?

[blueline]

I do wonder if the end of ICE 718s will put a floor under used prices, or maybe even as you envision, an elevator.

What Porsche sales drop? Taycans?

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Also this and a number of other news releases like it the past several days. (VW the company, but still a not very positive indicator for Porsche.)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/volkswagen ... -china-ev/

[blueline]

Granted, months back Porsche said it would only build the ICE 718 through 2025, but one really has to wonder with the US now the biggest Market ( ahead of China ) will the Stuttgart Sports Car have a change of heart --- and mind!? The EV revolution has slowed partly due to Infrastructure and other factors, so ICE demand is high in America and with the extended life of the 911 into the 2030s and beyond, one has to wonder if Porsche will have any epiphany and continue the Cayman/Boxster farther forward. We have to pause and remember there was supposed to be an end to the manual some years back and that did not work for Porschephiles one diddly squat. With Interest Rates high, the huge increases in the price of Porsches over the past 4 -5 years, a 718 Cayster is in the price range a 911 was just back those 4-5 years. I know of two friends who were considering a 911 , but after seeing the pricing and viewing my little beast they have changed their thoughts.
Let's hope Porsche sees the error in it's ways, and takes a more measured approach to their EV growth, since the situation in Europe and China with their Government edicts is not the same as here in the US ( or Canada ). Hoping to see the 718 continue into the future more than just next year , but if they end the ICE machine we can all start viewing our little beasts as another 401K !!

Porsche cannot continue 718s in Europe due to incompatibility with the EU's new so-called "cyber security" laws. To meet those standards the 718 would have to have design a completely new software/hardware platform which would also dictate a new chassis/drivetrain which would, of course, most likely lead to needed changes elsewhere on the platform. Too much money. (Parent group VW is not faring so well in that respect.)

However, Porsche could probably continue 718 sales elsewhere in the world.

[WillyDaP]

That was my point, I knew the EU rules were a major constraint , but as you also noted parent VW is hurting so increasing 718 Sales to the UK and the US makes a bunch of sense, especially since it appears most of the them are being built in Osnabruck ( VW Plant ) why not keep things a-rocking!

[blueline]

That was my point, I knew the EU rules were a major constraint , but as you also noted parent VW is hurting so increasing 718 Sales to the UK and the US makes a bunch of sense, especially since it appears most of the them are being built in Osnabruck ( VW Plant ) why not keep things a-rocking!

That would seem a wise move in my opinion and I'd love to see it happen but will Porsche do it? And even if they're willing, can they pull it off this late in the game? It's hard to say and obviously I have no way of knowing what the production situation is nor where it's already heading.

I do know that so much depends on suppliers, huge lead times, plant and tooling changeovers, training, etc., etc., that have long been in the works and are probably well underway. Having worked once upon a time for an EOM in a factory setting (7-years), I know how involved changeovers can be. It's monstrous and once the ship has sailed there is likely no going back.

Having said all of that, if the new EV version is being built elsewhere or on a new, separate production line, then the possibility for extending the current 718 would certainly seem to exist. If Porsche was smart and if it's possible, then they'd be crazy not to give that serious consideration!

[WillyDaP]

I guess my thought is they are already planning on building 718s through 2025 , while they are also considering closing some VW Plants in Germany ( for how long no one seems to know ). Since Caymans, Boxters and Macans have been coming out of the VW Plant at Osnabruck, they could realize a shift to a longer build could easily happen. They not only have the time they have the wherewithal. A good example would be the Dodge Challenger, it was supposed to stop being built so many times we wondered if they would ever stop. Porsche could ramp up 718s for 2025 and with over a year and a quarter I am sure that is enough of a time frame to not only fulfill buildout but to plan for longer production.

[blueline]

I guess my thought is they are already planning on building 718s through 2025 , while they are also considering closing some VW Plants in Germany ( for how long no one seems to know ). Since Caymans, Boxters and Macans have been coming out of the VW Plant at Osnabruck, they could realize a shift to a longer build could easily happen. They not only have the time they have the wherewithal. A good example would be the Dodge Challenger, it was supposed to stop being built so many times we wondered if they would ever stop. Porsche could ramp up 718s for 2025 and with over a year and a quarter I am sure that is enough of a time frame to not only fulfill buildout but to plan for longer production.

But, but...that makes too much sense...

[Gotti of the Deep]

Porsche sales in the United States for the 718 is 6% in 2023 and continues at that pace in 2024. A dismal 6% of sales in the 2nd qtr in 2024. The 718 is done, folks. The EV? with a price increase? Even the Taycan is selling less.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2024 ... 36756.html

[blueline]

Porsche sales in the United States for the 718 is 6% in 2023 and continues at that pace in 2024. A dismal 6% of sales in the 2nd qtr in 2024. The 718 is done, folks. The EV? with a price increase? Even the Taycan is selling less.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2024 ... 36756.html

Here's more - an analysis to the latest SSO Report is linked at the first post of this Carpokes thread.

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